What Is The Difference Between Fjr1300a And Fjr1300es
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I recently realized another difference between the ES and non-ES models. Inverted forks. Wonder why Yamaha would not go inverted across the board?
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That is too separate the Haves from the Have Nots. A deliberate play by Yamaha to drive a wedge between the working class and the elite.
It leads to statements like:
"Oh, so you have an A model FJR? Too bad you could not afford the really nice version."
"Nice bike but if it were mine I would have come off the money and bought the better ES version."
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"I like my FJR but I know I would like it more if I could have been able to afford the ES that I really wanted."
OR!!!
Perhaps Yamaha was really smart with their money and kept the externals of the conventional forks as a cost saving measure. Since the motojournalists kept crying for USD forks and Electronic Suspension, Yamaha gave them both at once in 2014. Smart money in my opinion.
And there aren't many folks that can go significantly faster on public roads using a stock ES vs a stock A model. I have personally been humbled several times by a friend on an A model. But I would not trade him for sure.
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+1 on what Redfish said. Might take a little research but if you want non-ES upside down forks, check into finding a set of R1 forks.... seems to me someone has done that, but for the gain, dunno if it's worth it.
Be happy with your A, you have many more upgrade options available if you need changes, one reason I did not go ES, and quite happy with my decision. To get an ES, you would have to have waited for the lipstick pink '14, LOL, and paid too much money.
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A djustability
The A has more adjustability in it's suspension compared to the ES
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The A has more adjustability in it's suspension compared to the ES
+10000.
As in **** can the OE stuff and replace it with quality custom stuff for less than the added purchase price of the electronics. >
BTW I disagree with Red on one point .
Its a general misconception that custom suspension is just for going fast and is for the ricky racer guys.
A quality suspension like penske shock and fork internals are far better in every environment. 1 up, 2up, cruising the back roads, droning the highway, carving at high speed and getting the knee down.
That is the great thing about quality stuff. Its better everywhere.
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I agree, most of us wouldn't gain much from the inverted setup. That being said, I do like the inverted setup. I usually get the suspension set and leave it alone so I didn't feel like the ES model would benefit me, but I'm learning the ES model includes more than just the electronic adjustment. I'm not sure what else you gain or lose with the ES.
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+10000.
As in **** can the OE stuff and replace it with quality custom stuff for less than the added purchase price of the electronics. >
Hmmm ... The difference in list price between an A and ES is $1600. Given that a Penske triple-adjustable shock for the ES lists for $1300, by the time you do fork mods and get the shock, let alone labor if you don't do it yourself, there won't be much left over for beer and pizza.
Don't get me wrong; although I am very happy with my ES, I would love to try a properly set up A tricked out as Mike suggests. At the same time each of us has our own idea of what's "close enough" on suspension sophistication and setting adjustment.
Ride safe and happily,
Bob Stewart
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Two more thoughts:
1. The heavier the bike, the less advantage is gained in sprung/unsprung weight ratio by the unsprung weight savings of upside down forks. Much more to be gained on a 416 lb YZF-R6 than a 635 lb FJR A.
2. Yamaha's decision to go to USD on the ES was possibly driven by the simplicity of having the electronic damping adjustment mechanism located on the fork tops.
Enjoy the ride,
Bob Stewart
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Hmmm ... The difference in list price between an A and ES is $1600. Given that a Penske triple-adjustable shock for the ES lists for $1300, by the time you do fork mods and get the shock, let alone labor if you don't do it yourself, there won't be much left over for beer and pizza.
Don't get me wrong; although I am very happy with my ES, I would love to try a properly set up A tricked out as Mike suggests. At the same time each of us has our own idea of what's "close enough" on suspension sophistication and setting adjustment.
Ride safe and happily,
Bob Stewart
The base penske (which I still consider far better than the OE shock) Is $789.
The fork revalve kit is $198 and springs are $150. Still far superior to the OE.
http://www.gpsuspension.com/search.asp?keyword=yamaha+fJr_1300+2014&catid=7007&sortby=5
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So, does that mean the only difference between the ES and non-ES will be the front and rear shock?
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So, does that mean the only difference between the ES and non-ES will be the front and rear shock?
The servos to make the adjustments and the computer program to run it.
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The servos to make the adjustments and the computer program to run it.
I believe the ES and A also have different rate springs.
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The Biggest Difference between the A and the ES is in the looks the rider gets when he/she pulls up amongst other bikes.
For an A FJR owner there is a mixture of sympathy, sorrow and mild contempt. The ladies will snicker and giggle, the men will turn their backs. Concours owners will come over to chat. BMW owners won't even look at you.
The experience is different for an ES rider. The ladies will stroll over and ask for a ride. Some men will also... There will be looks of envy. There will be open jealousy. Folks you never met will buy you drinks and ask if they can take pics with your FJR. You will acquire manly nicknames like Thor or Big Guy. Concours owners will huddle up with the only two BMW guys. They will be staring at the ES when they think you aren't looking.
Honestly, the "Difference" between the two version is what has already been said. The spring rates both front and rear are different. The USD forks are black and the conventional forks are silver. There are two extra pages in the main menu in the instrument panel for the ES adjustments. There are pages in the secondary menu for the ES to modify and personalize the standard suspension settings.
Is it worth the difference? Depends on who and what you are. As others have said, a Good Custom Suspension is an investment that goes beyond how fast you can ride the bike. It is also about comfort and compliance. It is about confidence when the surface gets sketchy. Since the A model already comes with much better suspension than any of the previous Generation FJRs, any improvements made are really icing on the cake.
For me? I loved the blacked out look of the ES on the already stealthy '15. USD or conventional made no difference to me. What does matter is that I can set everything to the softest possible setting and float down I-10 like a 1958 Buick. When I meet up with my riding friends and we hit the twisty backroads I make a couple of keystrokes and the bike stiffens up, gets taller and I switch to Rossi mode. Or I can make on the fly adjustments for any road or riding between Louisiana and California without getting my hands dirty. When I leave my luggage at the hotel and try to play Rossi in the mountains I can adjust for that instantly.
Is that Worth It? Depends on you.
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"A" boys, keep on telling these to yourself. Me, I like it when the girls stroll over and ask for a ride, sometimes I have to take the windshield off to have one on the handlebars when the rear seat fills!!! LOL
I mirror what Redfish states. It is the convenience of changing suspension and handling on the fly and never leaving the saddle. Also as Redfish says "Is it worth it? Depends on you."
I believe one of the years '16 or '17, an "A" wasn't produced that year.
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I believe one of the years '16 or '17, an "A" wasn't produced that year.
Was produced in 2017 but not offered in the USA. Perhaps Canada had it? Evidence suggests there were too many leftover 2016s that a repeat of the 2014/2015 firesale was avoided.
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And just to make sure none of you take my ES elitism seriously, I have a few photos to share. Because you know... Some of my best friends ride A models!
My Awesome '15 ES and Pop's '07 in front of Seneca Rocks:
My Awesome '15 ES between two '14 A models close to the Trail of 100 Giants:
Pop on his '14 A following me out of the Sierra Nevada Mts.:
I picked out and actually rode home both of Pop's FJRs. The '07 was bought brand new while Pop was working a long string of nights. The '14 was purchased from a friend and Pop was still too damaged from his near fatal crash of the '07 to ride. If I am willing to put my father on an A model, you must know I have confidence in them.
Those two A model FJRs and my ES traveled together through all sorts of roads and conditions all the way from South Louisiana to Yosemite NP in California. They all made it home in one piece. I am sure that neither of the A riders ever felt inadequate next to my ES.
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Thanks guys, lots of good input. I've always rode an A model, but borrowed a buddy's 2016 ES. I can tell his ES rides smoother than any A model I have rode. Maybe its just how they are setup. I don't have any plans of upgrading in the near future, but wanted to learn more about the differences.
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Dang and I thoughted that the ES was a remake of an 883 sportster so I bought an "A" model...................
Yep that ought to get it started
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The difference is that I have a brand new 2018ES and you don't..... and yes the tricky salesman tried to get me to buy the 2016A and I told him no dice Jack.
What Is The Difference Between Fjr1300a And Fjr1300es
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